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Tara Rynders's avatar

Thank you for this beautiful writing. Thank you for honoring your shame so deeply and so completely that it overflows as wisdom for us. As I read, I am struck by the nutrient rich spaces our shame can hold and the commitment you have to unraveling shame in the body, heart, and mind. I am struck by the thoroughness and generosity of actions offered for us as guests, receivers, in this space. Thank you. This is very powerful.

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Andrew Lynch's avatar

I get your point that shame can motivate people to grow, but I don’t think that’s what Brené Brown is arguing against.

You said you disagree with this quote from her, “We cannot grow when we are in shame, and we can't use shame to change ourselves or others.” I think she’s using the word shame in the colloquial sense, meaning coercion. Manipulation.

She’s right, you cannot manipulate people to change, because that’s tyranny, that’s dominance, that’s using fear and belittling. It doesn’t work.

I’m referring to the second part of her statement. I think she’s absolutely right.

I also think the first part of her statement is absolutely right. You cannot grow when you were in shame. That’s not to say that you are not correct in your astute observation that people with shame do grow. But that’s different than what she is saying, she is not saying that people with shamed do not grow, she is saying that they do not grow when they are IN shame.

She is 100% correct about this, and you can verify it for yourself. When you are in shame, you are stuck. That is not the place for growth. The place for growth comes after that shameful moment.

And I don’t mean it’s shameful in that they should feel shame for feeling shame, that’s the colloquial understanding which is false. I’m talking about shameful, as in being full of shame.

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